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ekaterinnAfter turning in my project draft to my advisor, I settled in for a couple of days of surfing the 'Net while procrastinating on writing the next twenty pages. While innocently following links, I found this. I'll sum it up: A female dean at Keyon College apologizes for all the girls she's rejected because male applicants to her school are rarer. From the op-ed piece:
Rest assured that admissions officers are not cavalier in making their decisions. Last week, the 10 officers at my college sat around a table, 12 hours every day, deliberating the applications of hundreds of talented young men and women. While gulping down coffee and poring over statistics, we heard about a young woman from Kentucky we were not yet ready to admit outright. She was the leader/president/editor/captain/lead actress in every activity in her school. She had taken six advanced placement courses and had been selected for a prestigious state leadership program. In her free time, this whirlwind of achievement had accumulated more than 300 hours of community service in four different organizations.
Few of us sitting around the table were as talented and as directed at age 17 as this young woman. Unfortunately, her test scores and grade point average placed her in the middle of our pool. We had to have a debate before we decided to swallow the middling scores and write "admit" next to her name.
Had she been a male applicant, there would have been little, if any, hesitation to admit. The reality is that because young men are rarer, they're more valued applicants. Today, two-thirds of colleges and universities report that they get more female than male applicants, and more than 56 percent of undergraduates nationwide are women. Demographers predict that by 2009, only 42 percent of all baccalaureate degrees awarded in the United States will be given to men.
So, what's the problem here? If women apply in greater numbers and are more qualified, why not simply admit people on the basis of their qualifications and screw it if most of them happen to be female?
Well, that might mess with the precious gender balance on campus, that's why. The Keyon College dean insists that
"Beyond the availability of dance partners for the winter formal, gender balance matters in ways both large and small on a residential college campus. Once you become decidedly female in enrollment, fewer males and, as it turns out, fewer females find your campus attractive."
I call BULLSHIT. I would have loved to go to a women's college (financial considerations prevented me from doing so, alas). Providing the school was good, the prospect of a campus with many more women than men wouldn't have bothered me one iota. From talking to friends at women's colleges like![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-userinfo.gif)
amai and bejiin and those who have had the happy experience of taking some classes with only women in them like the_acrobat, I think it wouldn't bother them either.
This tendency to not applaud women's excellence, but to protest the lack of men does not stop at the admissions door. According to a Slate.com article, "for every 100 B.A.s awarded to men in 2001, women received 133". Statistics like these are being used to justify pushes to allow changes at the primary and secondary level to accommodate boys since, obviously,
"The system is designed to the disadvantage of males," Anglin told The Boston Globe. "From the elementary level, they establish a philosophy that if you sit down, follow orders and listen to what they say, you'll do well and get good grades. Men naturally rebel against this." .
So female students must "naturally" agree to being good girls, sitting still and claiming less of the teacher's attention then? And boys should get prizes for being disruptive, right? To quotethe_acrobat, "I think it's interesting that the traditional methods of education supposedly are screwing guys over and only work for women, given that for the longest time, women weren't actually allowed to be educated in these ways. Book-learnin' like this was for the boys."
And in fact A White Bear suggests that it's not feminism that leads women to do so reliably well in college. It's sexism that gives us the skills we need to negotiate academic power structures. Most of us know all too well how to admit fault and how to accomodate, both of which are indispensible for academic success.
So what I want to know is this: if women are kicking so much ass at school, why do so many of us still feel the pangs of Imposter Syndrome? Why are we still getting paid 75 cents on the dollar? Why are there still so few female politicians, CEOS, and indeed, college deans? I would bet, too, that women aren't outdoing men in being awarded B.S.s (the dominance of women in undergraduate biosciences courses notwithstanding) or any kind of postgraduate degrees. Notice that when the lack of women in math and science is discussed, changing women's and girls' attitudes is offered as the solution. It's only when men and boys are having trouble with school that changing the educational parameters or the admissions process is discussed.
Why? Because women and girls are beginning to succeed in a system that had been historically for men and boys only, and that scares the shit out of the patriarchy.
Rest assured that admissions officers are not cavalier in making their decisions. Last week, the 10 officers at my college sat around a table, 12 hours every day, deliberating the applications of hundreds of talented young men and women. While gulping down coffee and poring over statistics, we heard about a young woman from Kentucky we were not yet ready to admit outright. She was the leader/president/editor/captain/lead actress in every activity in her school. She had taken six advanced placement courses and had been selected for a prestigious state leadership program. In her free time, this whirlwind of achievement had accumulated more than 300 hours of community service in four different organizations.
Few of us sitting around the table were as talented and as directed at age 17 as this young woman. Unfortunately, her test scores and grade point average placed her in the middle of our pool. We had to have a debate before we decided to swallow the middling scores and write "admit" next to her name.
Had she been a male applicant, there would have been little, if any, hesitation to admit. The reality is that because young men are rarer, they're more valued applicants. Today, two-thirds of colleges and universities report that they get more female than male applicants, and more than 56 percent of undergraduates nationwide are women. Demographers predict that by 2009, only 42 percent of all baccalaureate degrees awarded in the United States will be given to men.
So, what's the problem here? If women apply in greater numbers and are more qualified, why not simply admit people on the basis of their qualifications and screw it if most of them happen to be female?
Well, that might mess with the precious gender balance on campus, that's why. The Keyon College dean insists that
"Beyond the availability of dance partners for the winter formal, gender balance matters in ways both large and small on a residential college campus. Once you become decidedly female in enrollment, fewer males and, as it turns out, fewer females find your campus attractive."
I call BULLSHIT. I would have loved to go to a women's college (financial considerations prevented me from doing so, alas). Providing the school was good, the prospect of a campus with many more women than men wouldn't have bothered me one iota. From talking to friends at women's colleges like
amai and bejiin and those who have had the happy experience of taking some classes with only women in them like the_acrobat, I think it wouldn't bother them either.This tendency to not applaud women's excellence, but to protest the lack of men does not stop at the admissions door. According to a Slate.com article, "for every 100 B.A.s awarded to men in 2001, women received 133". Statistics like these are being used to justify pushes to allow changes at the primary and secondary level to accommodate boys since, obviously,
"The system is designed to the disadvantage of males," Anglin told The Boston Globe. "From the elementary level, they establish a philosophy that if you sit down, follow orders and listen to what they say, you'll do well and get good grades. Men naturally rebel against this." .
So female students must "naturally" agree to being good girls, sitting still and claiming less of the teacher's attention then? And boys should get prizes for being disruptive, right? To quote
the_acrobat, "I think it's interesting that the traditional methods of education supposedly are screwing guys over and only work for women, given that for the longest time, women weren't actually allowed to be educated in these ways. Book-learnin' like this was for the boys." And in fact A White Bear suggests that it's not feminism that leads women to do so reliably well in college. It's sexism that gives us the skills we need to negotiate academic power structures. Most of us know all too well how to admit fault and how to accomodate, both of which are indispensible for academic success.
So what I want to know is this: if women are kicking so much ass at school, why do so many of us still feel the pangs of Imposter Syndrome? Why are we still getting paid 75 cents on the dollar? Why are there still so few female politicians, CEOS, and indeed, college deans? I would bet, too, that women aren't outdoing men in being awarded B.S.s (the dominance of women in undergraduate biosciences courses notwithstanding) or any kind of postgraduate degrees. Notice that when the lack of women in math and science is discussed, changing women's and girls' attitudes is offered as the solution. It's only when men and boys are having trouble with school that changing the educational parameters or the admissions process is discussed.
Why? Because women and girls are beginning to succeed in a system that had been historically for men and boys only, and that scares the shit out of the patriarchy.
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Date: 2006-05-29 02:26 pm (UTC)If you are going to champion a meritocracy then you've got to champion it the whole way.
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Date: 2006-05-29 07:05 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-05-30 12:53 am (UTC)Hell, even well-off non-white males and females are guaranteed a college education. I'm not championing us poor white males and how put down we are because that would be ridiculous.
If's theres a division to be made it probably has more to do with money and opportunity than anything else.
However, the same arguments are made in order to allow (force) minorities on campuses where they otherwise would not qualify as are made here to allow (force) males onto female - majority campuses. Not just at the college level but in elementary/middle/high schools as well.
I'm probably missing the point again I am sure but it's more of a thought train rolling at this point.
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Why? Because women and girls are beginning to succeed in a system that had been historically for men and boys only, and that scares the shit out of the patriarchy.
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Um, I think the majority of colleges are exceedingly liberal in their admissions, I don't know of the "patriarcy" at any college, but since I'm not a woman perhaps I just didn't notice.
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Date: 2006-05-30 05:31 pm (UTC)*nods* I completely agree with you about that. Ecomonics and class structure are often overlooked or glossed over in discussions of these kinds. I was painting with a broad stroke to describe a couple of trends that have women succeeding in the educational system that was designed by men for male students and the seemingly fear-based responses to that success by society, which is still mostly male-dominated.
I just don't want to get into a big discussion about affirmative action. It is worth noting (as I didn't do) that Keyon College is an elite liberal arts college and thereby more strict in their admissions policy than most places in the U.S. You say "that since I'm not a woman I just didn't notice" and that may actually be valid, because society is still mostly set up in ways that are to the advantage of men that are "invisble" to many people of both genders since those ways seem normal to us and often go unquestioned.
(And since it's hard to get tone across online, I want to say that my arguments should in no way considered an attack on you personally. I think your great guys and that you do have some good points. ^^)
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Date: 2006-05-29 07:24 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2006-05-30 12:59 am (UTC)I would think that the main thing holding people back is financial. The cost of college is staggering, with three daughter rapidly approaching the age I know that I am staggered.
No real point here of course, just ruminating while I'm stuck in a hotel room.